3GPP TSG-T2 SWG3 SMS / EMS ad hoc #1
London, UK
3rd to 5th April 2001	T2E-010002	

Agenda Item:	Minutes

Source:	T2 SWG3 Chair

Title:	Minutes

Document for:	

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Report of the T2 SWG3 SMS EMS Ad Hoc
1	Opening of the meeting
The meeting was opened by the T2 SWG3 chairman Ian Harris (Vodafone), who welcomed the delegates to the meeting. 
Barry Jones of Magic 4 who hosted the meeting welcomed delegates
A list of delegates present at the meeting can be found at the end of this report.

2.	Approval of agenda
Some changes to the draft agenda (T2E-010001) were agreed.

-	The list of input documents was updated.

-	The input documents were categorised.

3	Executive Summary
At the opening of the meeting, the importance of EMS to sustain SMS growth into the start up of MMS was re emphasised. Without EMS, operators and content providers feel that SMS will show signs of reaching a plateau for general users during the next 12 months. Nokia continue to reserve their position with regard to EMS despite strong wishes by network operators and content providers that they should support EMS in their products.
Time to market is now becoming a crucial issue for EMS otherwise a valuable opportunity shall be lost.
Mobile manufacturers such as Alcatel, Ericsson, Motorola and Siemens continue their active support for EMS.

A presentation by content providers Akumiiti ( Perti Kasenen ) , comvisual ( Claus Darnstadt ) and win Marc Charlton ) indicated the need for EMS to sustain SMS growth.

A list of output documents from this ad hoc are to be found at the end of this report. These will all go forward as input documents to T2 #13 Pusan.

It was the view of the majority of the delegates that some control was required regarding the distribution of certain short messages. Nokia continued to express their concern over the legal implications of CR (T2E-010026).

In the interest of interoperability, a requirement for a set of mandatory features in the next release was identified, Nokia and Siemens both did not agree to the principle of having a mandatory set of formats in the next release.

Nokia asked that Magic4 should be reminded of their obligation to declare any IPR interest they have. Magic 4 said they had IPR interests.  The details have yet to be made available to 3GPP by Magic4.
 
Some of the CR cover sheets for the output documents from this ad hoc are marked for Release 4. And have editorial errors.  It was agreed that the chairman could make the necessary corrections for the output documents.from this ad hoc. prior to sending them to ETSI.
 Due to insufficient time to discuss the detail of Large objects and Mandatory format tags it was agreed to hold a small informal drafting group session for documents T2E-010028 and T2E-010029. Ericsson, Siemens , Motorola, Alcatel, Nokia, Magic4 EMS Ad Hoc delegates will attend on 2nd 3rd May in Paris or Basingstoke. Alcatel will advise on Venue.

4	 Documents
T2E010001	EMS SMS Agenda	Chair	
-	An agenda item for a presentation to this ad hoc by Akumiiti, convisual and win (content providers) was added 
Conclusion:
Agreed

T2E010002	EME SMS Minutes	Chair	

Conclusion:
Agreed

T2E010003	Clarification of User Prompt Indicator	Ericsson	
-	Minor editorial changes
Conclusion:
Revised to T2E-010016 

T2E010004	Clarification of User Defined Sound	Ericsson	
-	Motorola, Nokia and Alcatel will check prior to T2  #13 Pusan that there are no backwards compatibility issues	
Conclusion:
Agreed – subject to checks by Motorola Nokia and Alcatel

T2E010005	Enhanced Text Formatting	Ericsson	
-	This document has an editorial correction for an earlier CR . Section 3.10 now aligned to 9.2.3.24.10.1.1
-	Alignment section agreed with some minor changes and addition of a paragraph on how to deal with conflicting formatting instructions
-	Section on colour incomplete because no reference to websafe. An alternative proposal to the use of websafe was discussed and agreed to be desirable
Conclusion:
Document revised to T2E-010017 

T2E010006	Default Text Format	Ericsson	
-	This is an alternative mechanism to T2E-010005 for text formatting
Conclusion:
The text Formatting proposal in T2E-010005 was preferred to this proposal

T2E010007	Object Protection	Ericsson	
-	Agreement on the need for object protection was unanimous with the exception of Nokia.
-	Common agreement could only be reached on the need to indicate that a message shall not be forwarded.
Conclusion:
Revised to T2E-010018

T2E010008	Ericsson addition to Alcatel Large Object CR	Ericsson	
-	This document proposed a 2 bit greyscale and elliminates the need for picture stitching
Conclusion:
Incorporated into  T2E-010028

T2E010009	Removal of Picture Stitching	Ericsson	
-	It was agreed that this should be reviewed after the work on large objects.
Conclusion:
Not discussed. Referred to EMS drafting group

T2E010010	Clarification of E-mail Addressing	Ericsson	
-	Not an EMS matter
Conclusion:
Not EMS. Deferred to T2 Pusan

T2E010011	Clarification of Picture Stitching	Ericsson	
-	It was agreed that this should be reviewed after the work on large objects.
Conclusion:
Not discussed. Referred to EMS drafting group

T2E010012	Introduction of extended format tags	Magic4	
-	During the creation of this document by Magic4 some errors occurred
Conclusion:
Withdrawn. Revised to T2E-010027

T2E010013	EMS Presentation	Magic4	
-	Presentation on the importance of EMS
Conclusion:
Information only

T2E010014	CR Large objects	Alcatel	
-	Error in paragraph title ( Re-usable ) 
-	It was agreed that this document could be considerably simplified in many areas 
Conclusion:
Incorporated into T2-010028

T2E010015	Large object presentation	Alcatel	
-	Presentation explaining the structure of large objects
Conclusion:
Information only

T2E010016	Clarification of user prompt indicator	Ericsson	
-	Changes from T2E-010003 incorporated
Conclusion:
Agreed

T2E010017	Text Formatting	Ericsson	
-	Updated T2E-010005 with respect to default text
Conclusion:
Revised to T2E-010023

T2E010018	Object protection	Ericsson	
-	Still felt to be too complex. 
Conclusion:
Not Agreed ( Revised to T2E-010026)

T2E010019	Object Protection	Alcatel	
-	Proposal to change the technical detail of Object protection
Conclusion:
Not agreed

T2E010020	Object Protection	Motorola	
-	Proposal to change the technical detail of Object protection
Conclusion:
Information only.

T2E010021	Copyright protection	Nokia / Motorola	
-	This was a copy of a document from T2 Los Angeles T2-010161 raising concerns about legal implications on mobile manufacturers 
Conclusion:
Information only

T2E010022	Copyright Protection	Motorola	
This was a copy of a document from T2 Los Angeles T2-010274 raising concerns about legal implications on mobile manufacturers
Conclusion:
Information only

T2E010023	Text Formatting	Ericsson	
-	Revised document T2E-010005 and T2E-010017
-	New colour palette added.
Conclusion:
Revised to T2E-010025

T2E010024	Object Protection	Ericsson	
-	Proposal to change the technical detail of Object protection
Conclusion:
Not Agreed

T2E010025	Enhanced Text Formatting	Ericsson	
-	Provide a default text format and the ability to have colour text.
Conclusion:
Agreed

T2E010026	Object Distribution Indicator	Ericsson	
-	Proposal for an Object distribution indicator.
-	Nokia express their concerns over the legal implications of this CR. Otherwise there was unanimous support.
Conclusion:
Agreed.  

T2E010027	Introduction of extended format tags	Magic4	
-	Revised T2E-010012 
-	Mandatory subset discussed and agreed with exception of Nokia and Siemens not agreeing to the need for a mandatory sub set in the next release.
Conclusion:
Revised to T2E-010029

T2E010028	Large objects	Alcatel	
-	This document was produced bringing together all the discussion on large objects.
-	Insufficient time to reach any conclusion
Conclusion:
Not discussed. Referred to EMS drafting group

T2E010029	Mandatory set of format tags for annex F	Magic4	
-	This document was not generated in the Ad Hoc session.
-	Insufficient time to reach any conclusion
Conclusion:
Not discussed. Referred to EMS drafting group

4	AOB
The Chairman thanked Magic4 for hosting this meeting and for the evening dinner.

 

Documents

TDOC	Subject	Source	
T2E-010001	SMS EMS AD Hoc #1 Agenda 	Chair	
T2E-010003	Clarification of user prompt indicator	Ericsson	
T2E-010004	Clarification of user defined sound	Ericsson	
T2E-010005	Enhanced text formatting	Ericsson	
T2E-010006	Default text format	Ericsson	
T2E-010007	Object protection	Ericsson	
T2E-010008	Ericsson addition to Alcatel large object CR	Ericsson	
T2E-010009	Removal of picture stitching	Ericsson	
T2E-010010	Clarification of e-mail addressing	Ericsson	
T2E-010011	Clarification of picture stitching	Ericsson	
T2E-010012	Introduction of extended format tags	Magic4	
T2E-010013	EMS Presentation 	Magic4	
T2E-010014	Large Objects Presentation	Alcatel	
T2E-010015	Large Objects CR	Alcatel	
T2E-010016	Clarification of user prompt indicator	Ericsson	
T2E-010017	Text Formatting	Ericsson	
T2E-010018	Object protection	Ericsson	
T2E-010019	Object Protection	Alcatel	
T2E-010020	Object Protection	Motorola	
T2E-010021	Copyright	Nokia / Motorola	
T2E-010022	Copyright	Motorola	
T2E-010023	Enhanced text formatting	Ericsson	
T2E-010024	Object Protection	Ericsson	
T2E-010025	Text Formatting	Ericsson	
T2E-010026	Object Distribution Indicator 	Ericsson	
T2E-010027	Introduction of extended format tags	Magic 4	
T2E-010028	Large Objects 	Alcatel	
T2E-010029	Mandatory set of format tags	Magic4	

Output Documents

TDOC	Subject	
T2E-010002	SMS EMS AD Hoc  meeting report ( this document )	
T2E-010004	Clarification of User Defined Sound	
T2E-010016	Clarification of User Prompt Indicator	
T2E-010025	Text Formatting	
T2E-010026	Object distribution indicator	

Participants

NAME	COMPANY	Phone	E-MAIL	
HARRIS Ian	Vodafone 	+441635 673270	Ian.harris@vf.vodafone.co.uk	
JONES Barry	Magic4	+441925286310	Barry.jones@magic4.com	
Keith Jones	Aether Systems	+44 1908 800390	Keith.jones@rtswireless.com	
Gwenael Le Bodic	Alcatel	+33 1 55 66 46 41	Gwenael.le_bodic@alcatel.fr	
Peter Freitag	Siemens AG	+49 89 722 46460	Peter.Freitag@mch.siemens.de	
Paul Voskar	NOKIA UK LIMITED	+44 1252 867 430	paul.voskar@nokia.com	
Stefan Pusl	Siemens AG	+49 89 722 31023	Stefan.pusl@mch.siemens.de	
Zohar Levkovitz	Comverse	+972 3766 9289	Zohar.levkovitz@comverse.com	
Randall Grund	Motorola	847.523.0946	Randall.grund@motorola.com	
Paul Baird	Motorola	+44 1256 790851	p.baird@motorola.com	
Fabrice SEGURA	Swapcom	+33 437376955	fsegura@swapcom.fr	
Howard Aiken	InterVoice Brite	+44  7710 328595	howard.aiken@intervoice-brite.co.uk	
Peter N. Proctor	Ericsson	+44 7767 330394	Peter.proctor@eml.ericsson.se	
Alan Baldwin	Ericsson	+44 7785 386661	Alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se	
McKenna Brenden	Jinny			
Peter Neumann	Siemens			
Simon Allen	Motorola	+44 1256 790841	Wcsa03@email.mot.com