RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

From: John M Meredith
Sent: 05 July 2005 17:46
To: Ultan Mulligan; Adrian Zoicas; 'Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB)'; 'Peng Dai (SH/RDC)'
Cc: 'istvan.aba@t-mobile.at'; 'Robert Petersen (LI/EAB)'; 'Edwin Tse (QA/EMC)'; 'J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM'; 'toche@nortel.com'; 'Mike Truss'; 'lariven@nortelnetworks.com'; 'Frédéric Bonneau'
Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Since we already have XML containing the form

xmlns:mm7="http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/23_series/23.140/schema/REL-5-MM7-1-3"

I suggest we stick to this model in SA5 for SOAP. Thus the URIs actually map onto a physical location.

John M

From: Ultan Mulligan
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:12 PM
To: Adrian Zoicas; 'Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB)'; 'Peng Dai (SH/RDC)'; John M Meredith
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Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Hello,

OK, then it seems there is a precedent established in 3GPP. Therefore I don't suggest to change it. But it might be worthwhile to look at what T2 have done in terms of naming of schema files etc: they have included release and version information in the file name and, as a consequence, in the namespace.

Best regards

Ultan

From: Adrian Zoicas
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:05 PM
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Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

There are several other 3GPP WGs doing it.

SA5 has "learned" it from T2 see

http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/archive/23_series/23.140/schema/

SA4 has also some code area

Regards
Adrian Zoicas
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From: Ultan Mulligan
Sent: 05 July 2005 15:44
To: Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB); Adrian Zoicas; Peng Dai (SH/RDC); John M Meredith
Cc: istvan.aba@t-mobile.at; Robert Petersen (LI/EAB); Edwin Tse (QA/EMC); J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM; toche@nortel.com; Mike Truss; lariven@nortelnetworks.com; Frédéric Bonneau
Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Hello Thomas,

I said that as far as I was aware there was no defined 3GPP namespace for XML documents, simply because I was not aware of what SA5 was doing.

Now I am aware! Thanks!

We may need to check that this is the namespace which 3GPP wish to use in general, or whether this is an arrangement for SA5 only (perhaps no other WG in 3GPP has needed an XML namespace). If you retain the current namespace, I recommend you use it consistently, and that you describe or define the sub-structure of this namespace, if only for your own purposes. I think one of your SA5 colleagues suggested this below.

I'll have a word with John Meredith and Adrian Zoicas to bring myself up to date on current 3GPP practice with XML.

Best regards

Ultan Mulligan

From: Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB) [mailto:thomas.tovinger@ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:33 PM
To: Adrian Zoicas; Ultan Mulligan; Peng Dai (SH/RDC); John M Meredith
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Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Adrian,

well, yes an no I would say.

I am aware of the fact that there are (or may be) different "set-ups" of namespaces in ETSI and 3GPP, but since you sent this to Ultan for info, and Ultan replied with "there is no defined 3GPP namespace for XML documents", I felt that something needs to be clarified here. And it still does. I'm just asking for clarification. We need input both on a) how this is administrated by MCC for 3GPP and b) what is needed from the technology and TS perspective. For the latter we need input from our technical SA5 experts.

BR/ Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Zoicas [mailto:Adrian.Zoicas@etsi.org]
Sent: den 5 juli 2005 15:17
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Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Thomas,

you are mixing ETSI with 3GPP issues.

You have the 3GPP specs twice once

on the 3GPP site and 2nly

transposed as ETSI TS e.g. 132.101 on the ETSI site.

The XML schema is only on the 3GPP web site.

Not Ultan but JMM is in charge of the 3GPP site and its transposition in ETSI.

Regards
Adrian Zoicas
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mailto: adrian.zoicas@etsi.org
http://www.etsi.org
http://www.3gpp.org

From: Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB) [mailto:thomas.tovinger@ericsson.com]
Sent: 05 July 2005 15:06
To: Ultan Mulligan; Adrian Zoicas; Peng Dai (SH/RDC); John M Meredith
Cc: istvan.aba@t-mobile.at; Robert Petersen (LI/EAB); Edwin Tse (QA/EMC); J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM; toche@nortel.com; Mike Truss; lariven@nortelnetworks.com; Frédéric Bonneau
Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Thanks for this clarification, Ultan.

(If this response appears to be "late" it's because I am writing this from an offline location, and once it is sent, this afternoon, I guess that some other responses in the same thread may have arrived already...)

Thus, I think we need to ask for your help to set up such a namespace for these new specifications.

Possibly we can reuse the same namespace as we already have (or do we?) for the existing 32.6x5 TSs.

If we use the option described below, to have a namespace based on specification number, maybe that would be fine for all the SA5 XML specifications. Otherwise we can use a namespace based on technical domain. I am sure that Frederic and Dai Peng could advise us on what is the best solution.

But I am puzzled by your statement (Ultan) that "As far as I'm aware, there is no defined 3GPP namespace for XML documents." - we do have a namespace defined in our SA5 specs (see examples below), it's just if it has been correctly allocated in the 3GPP adm. handling. Since Adrian Zoicas has supported us in that, I absolutely thought this was the case (one per 32.6x5 spec). Otherwise we have to sort that out as well! And if this is correctly made so far, can't we just continue in the same way since each SA5 XML specification will have the need for its own namespace? And as you say that for this case, each such namespace is assigned automatically every time a new specification number is issued, then it should be easy to handle for the new SOAP SS-related specs as well, or? I must admit that I don't understand how much is automatic and manually handled by MCC support here - Adrian has said to us that we need to ask you Ultan or John M to provide the new namespaces, but the description below tells me that it is fully automatic once it is set up in a good way. Don't we have the same procedures for this in ETSI and 3GPP?

Here are examples of namespace declarations inside our 32.6x5 specs (32.615 in this case) - and the archive folders stated there do exist on the 3GPP server:

<schema
targetNamespace=
"http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/archive/32_series/32.615#configData"

elementFormDefault="qualified"

xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"

xmlns:xn=
"http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/archive/32_series/32.625#genericNrm"

xmlns:cn=
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/archive/32_series/32.635#coreNrm
....

....

BR/ Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: Ultan Mulligan [mailto:Ultan.Mulligan@etsi.org]
Sent: den 4 juli 2005 12:14
To: Adrian Zoicas; Peng Dai (SH/RDC); John M Meredith
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Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Hello,

As far as I'm aware, there is no defined 3GPP namespace for XML documents. If one needs to be defined (and it seems this is the case), the person who would manage such a process would be John Meredith of the MCC. I would strongly recommend not to allow individual working groups define their own namespace in an un-coordinated manner, and defining something such as http://www.3GPP.org/NotificationIRP without identifying the context in which it is used.

At ETSI, we do have such a namespace, which could be used as a model for the 3GPP one. Our namespace is very similar to our ASN.1 OID namespace. It is split in 3 sections:

    A namespace based on specification number:

Since each specification number at ETSI is unique, this forms an ideal basis for a namespace. And since each specification is owned and managed by only one technical committee, there is limited scope for conflict within the namespace. Each such namespace is assigned automatically every time a new specification number is issued, and the ETSI secretariat does not track if the namespace is ever used in the specification. The technical body owning the specification is entirely responsible for managing the namespace under the specification number: adding version or release numbers as it requires.

    A namespace based on technical domain

This is assigned on request from a technical committee, usually when the same namespace needs to be used across a series of specifications. Such a namespace is again managed entirely by the technical committee, who should define policies for version or release numbering etc. ETSI simply registers the allocation of the top-level namespace, and leaves the rest for the committee.

    A namespace for company names

Any company, whether or not a member of ETSI, can request to have a namespace allocated to them for free. This is probably not so useful, but it is available.

You can find further information at:

http://uri.etsi.org

and

http://www.etsi.org/ptcc/ptcc_uri.htm

I'm happy to help 3GPP and MCC to set up such a namespace if this is required.

Best regards

Ultan Mulligan

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From: Adrian Zoicas
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:51 AM
To: Peng Dai (SH/RDC); Ultan Mulligan
Cc: istvan.aba@t-mobile.at; Robert Petersen (LI/EAB); Edwin Tse (QA/EMC); J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM; toche@nortel.com; Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB); Mike Truss; lariven@nortelnetworks.com; Frédéric Bonneau
Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Our ETSI expert on this is

Ultan Mulligan

I am adding to this reply.

Regards
Adrian Zoicas

From: Peng Dai (SH/RDC) [mailto:peng.dai@ericsson.com]
Sent: 04 July 2005 11:46
To: Adrian Zoicas
Cc: istvan.aba@t-mobile.at; Robert Petersen (LI/EAB); Edwin Tse (QA/EMC); J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM; toche@nortel.com; Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB); Mike Truss; lariven@nortelnetworks.com; Frédéric Bonneau
Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Hi, Adrian:

        Thanks for quick response.

        One quick feeling is that it's better to seperate the publication of XML Schema and WSDL file since they are different.

        And it's better to have a document to mention the rule of XML namespace defintion as:

            http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/latest/[release version]/[series number]/[specficaiton number]

        Maybe the "ftp/specs/latest/" is not necessary in my own opinion.

        It seems no document version information is included in the XML namesapce according the below mail, shall we have further discussion on it ?

Best Regards
Dai Peng

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Zoicas [mailto:Adrian.Zoicas@etsi.org]
Sent: 2005年7月4日 16:56
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Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

the attachment.

<<S5-040517 Procedure for XML schema electronic files publication.zip>>
_____________________________________________
From: Adrian Zoicas
Sent:   04 July 2005 10:53
To:     'Peng Dai (SH/RDC)'
Cc:     istvan.aba@t-mobile.at; Robert Petersen (LI/EAB); Edwin Tse (QA/EMC); J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM; toche@nortel.com; Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB); Mike Truss; Suzèle Lariven (lariven@nortelnetworks.com); Frédéric Bonneau

Subject:        RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Dear Dai Peng,

I wonder if for this we should use the same procedure as for the XML schema extractions (32.3/6x5). See below & attachment.

=============
Annex A (normative):
Configuration data file base XML schema (file name "notificationLog.xsd")
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>


<schema
targetNamespace="http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/latest/rel-6/32_series/32335#notifLog" elementFormDefault="qualified"
attributeFormDefault="unqualified"
….
        </element>
</schema>

Annex C (informative):
NL IRP XML schema electronic files
The electronic files corresponding to the normative XML schemas defined in the present document are available in native form in the following archive:

http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/specs/archive/32_series/32.335/schema/326335-600-XMLSchema.zip
=======================

Regards
Adrian Zoicas
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http://www.3gpp.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Peng Dai (SH/RDC) [mailto:peng.dai@ericsson.com]
Sent: 04 July 2005 08:11
To: Adrian Zoicas; istvan.aba@t-mobile.at; Robert Petersen (LI/EAB); Edwin Tse (QA/EMC); J.Schmidt@MOTOROLA.COM; toche@nortel.com; Thomas Tovinger (LN/EAB); Mike Truss

Subject: RE: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS

Hi, guys:

        Sorry for late response, actually I left Sophia in Thursday afternoon.
        I would say we need to check the following points:

        1. Does 3GPP has some strategy or rule for the XML Namespace definition ?
        The current proposal in the attatched document is:

        Prefix                 Namespace
        basicCMIRP      http://www.3GPP.org/BasicCMIRP
        genericIRP              http://www.3GPP.org/ManagedGenericIRP
        kernelCMIRP     http://www.3GPP.org/kernelCMIRP
        ntfIRP                 http://www.3GPP.org/NotificationIRP

        2. Does 3GPP has some strategy or rule to put the version information into XML Namespace ?
        For example: basicCMIRP http://www.3GPP.org/BasicCMIRP/Rel6/0.2.1

        3. Does 3GPP has some strategy or rule for the Namespace prefix definition ?
        For example: basicCMIRP

        Thanks a lot.
         <<S5-056433r1 Notification IRP SOAP SS.zip>> <<S5-056432r1 Kernel CM IRP SOAP SS.zip>> <<S5-056431r1 Basic CM IRP SOAP SS.zip>> <<S5-056434r1 Generic IRP SOAP SS.zip>>


Best Regards
Dai Peng

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Zoicas [mailto:Adrian.Zoicas@etsi.org]
Sent: 2005?6?30? 22:17
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Subject: SA5 request for name space for SOAP SS
Importance: High

Please provide your request
&
attach the draft TSs.

Regards
Adrian Zoicas
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